Why is there no Trinity in the Old Testament?
Where is the Trinity in the Old Testament?
>>> and we know that the Holy Spirit actively ...
But I said it's one entity.
So when you say Holy Spirit you mean Father and Son as well
>>> Well the spirit is working all the time in...
Is the Holy Spirit the Messiah?
But how can three be one?
>>> if I point to your hand and ask: is this a...
Yes, it is
Yes, I’d say it’s a hand —but I’d also know that it’s part of a whole human being, not something separate fromthe person.
Are you asking this to draw a comparison? I’m open to hearing your point just want to understand where you're going with it.
>>> Ah you caught on fast to it haha
I understood before you told me.
Haha fair enough, I’ve heard that before like every metaphor ends up being either modalism, partialism, or something else. That alone shows how complex and mysterious the concept is. From my side, I guess I just find it hard to believe in something so central to faith if it can’t be clearly understood or explained without falling into contradictions.
I get where you're going like trying to show how something can function distinctly but still belong to a unified whole. But if we apply that idea to God, the issue is that God, by definition, is indivisible and beyond composition. If something acts independently, with a separate will or knowledge — isn’t that more of a separate being rather than part of a single, undivided God?
In Islam, one of the core beliefs is that God is absolutely One not just in number, but in essence. Nothing is equal to Him, nothing shares His nature. That clarity is what I find deeply convincing.
"I see so the idea is that Christ is eternal in his divine nature, but took on a human form at a point in time. But I still find that hard to grasp logically. If someone is eternal, how can they be 'born'? Doesn’t being born imply a beginning? And if the human nature was born but the divine nature is eternal, are we still talking about one person, or two distinct natures that somehow coexist without mixing or separating?
In Islam, we avoid that tension completely we believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was born miraculously without a father, but he was a servant and prophet of God, not God Himself. That makes his message easier to understand and keeps the distinction between Creator and creation very clear.
I really respect your honesty it’s refreshing to have a conversation where someone admits they’re still learning instead of pretending to have all the answers. I think that’s how real growth happens. Personally, what drew me to Islam is that it offers very clear answers about who God is always One, without parts or dual natures, and never born or dying. But I’m always open to hearing more once you've had the chance to explore that topic deeper.
Totally fair, I get that it's definitely a big can of beans to open before bed haha. I appreciate the convo a lot, and I respect how you're thinking things through with sincerity. Sleep well, and whenever you're up for it again, I'd love to continue the discussion.
I really appreciate your honesty it's rare to hear someone speak so openly about their journey. I get that the clarity of the Qur’an stands out, and I actually think that’s one of its strongest signs. It speaks directly to the heart and mind, without needing layers of interpretation. I’d honestly be curious to know: what part of the Qur’an made you feel distant from Islam? Maybe we can explore it together sometime.
That's completely fair, and I really respect that you're taking the time to think things through for yourself rather than just following blindly. I totally understand that if someone’s going to believe the Qur’an is from God, it has to hold up to that standard. When you're ready to share what parts made you feel that way, I'd genuinely love to hear them not to argue, but to understand how you saw it, and maybe offer a different perspective if you're open to it.
But I did it in a holy book and found strange things.
