but if you believe in sin that's your objective interpretation. so you would say murder is wrong if you believe murder is a sin
Then how do you judge what is good and bad?
i don't believe there is really such thing as good and bad. if i did then i wouldn't be saying morality is subjective
even if you believe in sin you can see yourself just how subjective morality is. not every christian believes everything you believe is a sin to be a sin
i've met Christians who thought Spongebob was sinful to watch and i've met Christians who think there is nothing wrong with watching Spongebob
surely you've encountered situations like that
So are you a moral relativist?
what do you mean by relativist
You think morality is relative
i said earlier i believe morality is subjective, yes?
and even gave examples of how within your own religion morality is subjective
Fair point, I think it just comes down to their lack of understanding of what sin is
that's judging other christians then
No, you’ve given an example of how people interpret it differently
you think your interpretation of christian beliefs are more correct than other peoples'. you think they lack an understanding of what sin is. but really that just goes to show how subjective even sin is
When did I interpret Christian beliefs?
you have your own that differ from other christians
nothing. it's just reality. the whole of christianity does not agree on what all's actually a sin. as per my example some would say watching Spongebob is sinful. if you ask a pentecostal they think tv itself is sinful. but your response to that example was they lack understanding of what sin is. so clearly you have your own interpretation of sin vs other peoples interpretations of sin
ask people in this group chat if X, Y, and Z are sins and you'll probably get varying responses
You say Christianity doesn’t agree and then you use Christians as evidence?
Why don’t you refer back to the actual teachings of Christianity? Rather than the people in the group
yes i used examples of christians not agreeing on what's sinful as evidence of sin varying person to person
the teachings of christ are interpreted differently by people. that's how you have pentecostals who believe tv is a sin. it's why christianity as a bunch of different denominations
No I mean the teachings, you are assuming that the Christian’s know the teachings, they do not, not even I know all the teachings of Christianity
again, this goes back to you judging other christians
Yes they may be interpreted differently but that does not mean they are different
but the fact you're even bringing up that you think other christians lack an understanding shows how subjective sin is
The different denominations is a whole other topic
"they may be interpreted differently" sounds a lot like subjectivity
Unsure of your point here
i think you've been unsure of everything for the entirety of this conversation
Would be the case if we didn’t have the church as the pillar of truth as stated in Timothy, so we have an objective understanding to refer back to
if it were objective there wouldn't be multiple interpretations of everything and there wouldn't be multiple denominations
This isn’t unique to Christianity so unsure why you’d use this point
the point is, once again, how subjective sin and your religion itself is
That was not the point though
You moved it to how morality is subjective in Christianity
And tried to use the different opinions as an argument
to show how subjective morality is
It doesn’t prove your case though
Because the teachings are not subjective
if sin, your religion's concept of morality which is supposed to be an objective interpretation, varies person to person then morality is subjective
if people interpret the teachings all differently then the teachings are subjective
